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I've also thought about replacing P138 of S15 by a theorem, but since that only holds for S15 it seemed like adding additional bloat which just isn't necessary. Or at least it seems so.

Biconnected is different since it doesn't just follow from locally injectively path-connected.
Under CH this doesn't add anything new.
But if for instance in the future we add cofinite space of size $\omega_1$ (and we should), then this trait will be deduced automatically.

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felixpernegger commented Dec 27, 2025

Can you maybe quickly think about if this can be strenthed to infinite + noetherian implies not biconnected? Currently has no results.

Potentially related : https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1572687/compact-connected-space-is-the-union-of-two-disjoint-connected-sets

I've also thought about replacing P138 of S15 by a theorem, but since that only holds for S15 it seemed like adding additional bloat which just isn't necessary. Or at least it seems so.

I am not entirely sure what is the consensus here, but personally I think even very small theorems are nice since they may contribute later and help the explore tab. (especially if the theorem could be strengthened again)

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cool! Maybe you can use this as the theorem instead

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I don't think so. That proof doesn't really work.

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I've figured out that if you have an infinite Noetherian biconnected space, then it has an infinite subspace for which every open set is cofinite, and then it easily follows by decomposing into two subspaces of the same size.

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Moniker1998 commented Dec 27, 2025

@prabau see the proof of T811. I think it's correct but it will need some changes in how it's written. Maybe better for mathse?

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prabau commented Dec 28, 2025

In the proof, after showing the set $Y$ of isolated points of $X$ is finite, why does that imply that $X\setminus Y$ is biconnected?

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@prabau yeah I was thinking about this and came to the conclusion that it doesn't actually matter if $X\setminus Y$ is biconnected, the point is that $X\setminus Y$ can be divided into two parts, each anti-Hausdorff and so connected

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prabau commented Dec 28, 2025

Right. (anti-Hausdorff = hyperconnected)
Great idea for the proof, but I think it's a little hard to follow and could be reorganized slightly.

Something like this for example:

  • say right at the beginning: assume by contradiction that $X$ is biconnected.
  • then first show the number of isolated points is finite
  • then show that any open sets not contained in $Y$ (hence necessarily of size at least 2) is cofinite in $X$
  • now take two disjoint infinite sets $X_1$ and $X_2$ in $X\setminus Y$.
  • any nonempty open set in $X_1$ is therefore cofinite in $X_1$ (as intersection of $X_1$ with a cofinite set in $X$). Hence $X_1$ is hyperconnected and connected. And same for $X_2$, ... so $X$ not biconnected.

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prabau commented Dec 28, 2025

The terminology "anti-Hausdorff" is confusing. Van Douwen used it in his paper without ever defining it, so one had to guess the meaning. Better use "hyperconnected" (or {Pxxx}) as more usual in pi-base.

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prabau commented Dec 28, 2025

As for the rest, I need to sit down and read it.

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It's a pretty long proof so let's first agree on how it should look like

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prabau commented Dec 28, 2025

I'll get back to this tomorrow.

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prabau commented Dec 29, 2025

I have simplified the proof, and added one meta-property.

What do you think?

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@prabau added it with minor changes

Co-authored-by: Patrick Rabau <70125716+prabau@users.noreply.github.com>
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